Mosque Plan Approved
An anti-mosque group’s appeal of an earlier decision to permit the mosque was denied; the mosque plan has the go-ahead.
Plans to build a 25,000-square-foot mosque on Nicolas Road at Calle Colibri were approved today.
The Temecula City Council denied an appeal filed by an anti-mosque group and gave the plan the go-ahead around 3:30 a.m.
They included a stipulation that the city would conduct a traffic study every five years and the mosque must never install external speakers.
The city’s five-member Planning Commission unanimously approved the mosque in December, saying the project not only met the city’s requirements, but went beyond them.
Days later, the head of an anti-mosque group, called Concerned American Citizens, filed an appeal. Usually, the Planning Commission’s decision is final, but the appeal required the City Council to review the project and cast the final vote.
The meeting started at 7 p.m. Tuesday and ran until around 3:30 a.m. Nearly 100 people signed up to address the council on the matter, according to the city clerk.
The majority of speakers supported the mosque, citing religious freedom and saying the opposition was driven by religious bigotry.
George Rombach, who filed the appeal on behalf of the anti-mosque group, gave a presentation on why he thought the council should deny the project.
The project will congest traffic, sit in a flood plain, and the city denied a similar church project on the same parcel of land in the past, Rombach told the council.
Rombach told the council religion had nothing to do with the appeal. “These issues should not be an issue this evening,” he said.
The city has no records of turning down any religious institution’s application in the area, planning director Pat Richardson said.
The debate
The Concerned American Citizens disagreed about the reason to oppose the mosque. Jacqueline Le Beau, one of the group’s leaders, started by talking about land-use issues, but wandered off into religion, quoting passages from the Quran she thinks show why Islam is dangerous.
Many other opponents of the mosque project told the council their concerns pertained only to traffic, but during other interviews, they said their problem is with Islam.
Karen Fazzini, who passed out fliers asking students to reject Islam outside Chaparral High School last week, told the council she opposed the mosque because of land-use issues.
Rombach also brought up only land-use issues at the meeting, despite calling the project a “victory mosque” during a small meeting earlier this month and saying the Muslim congregation wanted to build it next to a Baptist church to spite the Baptists.
Other mosque opponents eschewed the land-use criticisms and attacked the Muslim group.
Rabbi Nachum Shifren talked about how he thinks the congregation supports anti-Israeli governments, such as Hamas and Hezbollah. “This is exactly the issue. It has nothing to do with parking. It has nothing to do with the flood plains,” he said, working himself up until he was shouting. “This is exactly the issue.”
These arguments were moot because the council is forbidden from considering religion when approving a project, City Attorney Peter Thorson said. “That’s basic First Amendment law,” he said.
Support
The public comments period of the meeting kicked off with Don Krampe, a retired marine Sergeant, who wore colonial-period clothing. “We are all together on spaceship earth. We’re all one. We all have the same desires.”
He turned from the podium and walked down the aisle of the council chamber saying to the crowd that America’s official creed was freedom of religion. “We should protect our American creed and all it stands for,” he said.
Other supporters were Muslims who just want a place to practice their faith. “I’m asking for a simple right; to have a place to worship,” said Asif Balbale, a Murrieta resident.
The controversy over the mosque left some Muslims feeling alienated and fearful. “I really am in fear. I feel really weak. This is not the America I knew when I came here 15 years ago,” said Suhail Fares, who moved to America from Palestine. “I truly love this country more than I love Palestine.”
Rombach’s wife and co-head of the anti-mosque group, Suzanne St. John-Rombach, warned that the meeting was only the beginning of their fight.
“We will not go quietly into the night. We will fight until we gasp our last breath,” she told the council.
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9:50 am on Thursday, January 27, 2011
Any group who would demand the denial of a building permit for a religious center based on religious objections truly represents a threat to our way of life. This is not what our forefathers wanted for their beloved society.
Jim Horn
8:00 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
Our forefathers, if you mean the founders of this republic did not have experience with, or know about Islam' goal of a world under Sharia. "PEACE" under Islam is where everyone submits to Islam's total domination of your life, kinda like the Angka in 1975-80 Cambodia.
m. peterson
10:27 pm on Friday, February 25, 2011
"This is not the America I knew when I came here 15 years ago,” said Suhail Fares
Mr. Fares, you are correct! This is NOT the America any of us new from 15 years ago. And why is that????
9/11....that's why!
joe
12:30 pm on Saturday, February 26, 2011
Islam....you take over one inch at a time and that is what they are planning to do. Starting in Temecula.....Really a 25,000 sq Mosgue... Just how many Muslims live in the valley to warrent that size? This is just the begining....
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4:49 pm on Monday, February 28, 2011
Perhaps these folks are trying to serve the needs of the community for the distant future. It is cheaper to build a large facility than it is to continually add on to an existing one. These folks have been in Temecula for 15 years. I don't recall any terrorist attacks in our community. You can bet that if these folks had such intent it would come to light at some point. This community has invited anyone who has questions about their faith to join them at one of their services. Maybe this would make you feel less afraid of the unknown. I have no interest in joining Islam but I might just attend one of their services to gain some knowledge of what they are about.
donna
8:28 pm on Thursday, March 1, 2012
JOE, I AGREE
Jim Horn
8:05 pm on Wednesday, March 9, 2011
The needs? You betcha! The purpose of the center is to keep Moslems under tight rein, especially their kids who they are terrified might assimilate and become too American, in which case they'll have to murder them if they are females; to teach the Koran and the Hadiths/Sunna which, if you ever took the time to read them tell how to humiliate, torment, and kill non-believers like you and me if we refuse to convert or bown down and literally lick their feet. Take some time to educate yourself before you make too much of a fool of yourself, start with the Koran or at www.dididawdawdidi.com.
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10:51 am on Monday, March 14, 2011
Islam, just like Christianity, can be interpreted and applied in ways that are harmful to the public. It is not fair or right to generalize about any group of people. There are bad people in any group or organization. There is simply no evidence that anyone from the local muslim community has any intention of doing harm to our society. I will be among the first to take action if any credible evidence comes to light. If we don't adhere to the principles upon which our great nation was founded then we are bringing about it's failure.
Jim Horn
8:18 am on Tuesday, March 15, 2011
I wish that I could say to people who are willfully ignorant about Islam that they should enjoy their serendipity, but I happen to care passionately for America and it's future generations. Political/social/militant/fascist/Islam is NOT benign, and that is the main component of Islam. Open your eyes and see what Islam has wrot wherever it has spread leaving in its wake, fear, ignorance, poverty, suffering, misery, and injustice.
Don W
9:12 am on Tuesday, March 15, 2011
I don't know much about the Muslim belief, but I wonder what the high profile atheletes Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Mohammed Ali have to say about things. They both changed their faiths, and birth names, because they talked of the peace of the religion. Just throwing it out there...
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12:33 pm on Tuesday, March 15, 2011
There's no question that many islamic groups in other countries teach these harmful ideas. I am not a theological scholar but I don't believe the majority of islamic groups in this country preach hate and discontent. Clearly there are a few who do but I believe they are quite the exception rather than the norm. It is very dangerous to assume anything about a certain group simply based on which faith they follow. This is not what our forefathers had in mind for our country.
Jim Horn
5:51 pm on Tuesday, March 15, 2011
Those Islamists here, in our midst, are sent here by those other countries, and are a part and parcel of the umma, the worldwide brotherhood of Islamists. Again, treat yourself, open your mind and take time to learn about Islam. If you refuse to learn, to come to understand the true nature of Islam, you may be condemning the next generations of America to what has happened and is happening to Christians in Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Egypt, and more places. Think about it and then learn.
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7:24 am on Wednesday, March 16, 2011
Until there is tangible proof of an actual threat to our community, we have no right to interfere with these people's right to practice their religion.
Jim Horn
6:24 pm on Tuesday, March 15, 2011
Don, About 1/3 of America's blacks are involved to one extent or another with the Nation of Islam, a Moslem group. Casius Clay did it to avoid the draft. Others do it for whatever reason they have. It's easy to do. No catechism required. When I lived in Turkey, I was tempted, but then, after spending some time studying Islam deeper, I ran away from it and what it represented.
Jim Horn
8:07 pm on Wednesday, March 16, 2011
9/11 is tangible proof!
TVOR
7:44 pm on Sunday, May 15, 2011
911 is only proof that enough crazy extremists with enough funding from Saudi Arabia can commit horrible acts of violence against innocent people. To say that 911 is proof that all muslims are bad is like saying that all Catholic Priests are pedophiles. OK maybe that is a bad example but you get the point.
gregory tucker
3:06 pm on Sunday, May 15, 2011
I want everyone to read this: Jim Horn goes around everywhere on the Web to promote Hate. DO not listen to him. He promotes ignorance!!!!