Regardless of what Gary Johnson from Granite says, the Pechangas did bring up their concerns about their "sacred ground", back in 2005 when we all started to fight against this quarry.All the facts were brought up at the last meeting and there should be no argument about it. The truth will prevail.

This is a job killer for ALL of California.
The state is bleeding jobs as companies are moving out of the state.
The Early Asian Immigrants AKA The Indians will claim every rock out cropping is the site of the First man on Earth or some other fictional story to block all activity in the state.
Soon there will be more free loaders getting hand out from the state that taxpayers paying in.
Is that what you want a total welfare state?
As that happens you will see productive members of our state moving their companies and jobs to state like Airzona & Texas.

http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/2011/04/19/ocregister-69-more-firms-move-jobs-facilities-out-of-california/

What will your house be worth when the only people left are Section 8 renters?

Pull your heads out of the sand.

The most important thing to remember about this bill is that it is SITE SPECIFIC!
THIS LEGISLATION WILL NOT AFFECT MINING OR JOBS ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE STATE.
Do NOT be fooled by the propaganda being passed around by the Granite people.

I am up set the way in which Indians just seem to wait until the eleventh hour and be able to get legislation written and prepared from Assemblywoman Bonnie Lowenthal. This tell me, the power of the dollar can change even sacred land to a bill introduced into the California Legislature, and possibly be able to stop industry and jobs where we live. All this in the name of protected so call sacred unprovable
land that so Chief was cremated.

IT IS NOT SITE SPECIFIC. It clearly states within 2000 yards of any Indian reservation or "sacared site".
This is a job killer for ALL of California.

This is definitely not a job killer. Something is wrong when people want everything so close to each other. Next you want a landfill and powerplant in your backyard so you do not want to walk so far. Drive around California, there are alot of locations to mine without impacting people.

The area is Zoned RR. which allows mining.

Here are the Senators you need to E-mail ASAP
Here are the emails for the Senator’s offices.  Just copy and paste the emails as a group and one of the messages below to send or create your own message. In subject line type “Support AB 742”.  Include your name address and phone # after your message.
 
Senator.cannella@senate.ca.gov
Senator.evans@senate.ca.gov
Senator.fuller@senate.ca.gov
Senator.kehoe@senate.ca.gov
Senator.lamalfa@senate.ca.gov
Senator.padilla@senate.ca.gov
Senator.pavley@senate.ca.gov
Senator.simitian@senate.ca.gov
Senator.wolk@senate.ca.gov
 Pass this on.

Here are the phone numbers to call. please pass this on, and please call or email these Senators ASAP time is short!

Phone Calls -Here is an example of what you need to say when you call the Senator’s Office.  The Senator’s assistant will take the message and note that you are in favor of the passage of AB 742.  It is that simple:
 
My name is________________,  I am from ________________(city) and I am in favor of the passage of AB 742 which will preserve our Santa Margarita River, protect Pechanga’s sacred Native American sites and prevent mining in this area.
 
Senator Pavely
Phone: (916) 651-4006

Senator La Malfa
Phone: (916) 651-4004
 
Senator Cannella
Phone: (916) 651-4012

Senator Evans
Phone: (916) 651-4002
 
Senator Fuller
Phone: (916) 651-4018
 
Senator Kehoe
Phone: (916) 651-4039
           
Senator Padilla
Phone: (916) 651-4020
 
Senator Simitian
Phone: (916) 651-4011
 
Senator Wolk
Phone: (916) 651-4005

Steve McCarthy Committee Republican Consultant
Phone: (916) 651-1501

Make those important calls and emails to the Senators today if you have not already done so.  I have simplified the format below to make it easy to copy and paste the email addresses all at one time.  This bill goes to the committee Tuesday, tomorrow, August 23.
 
As you know we have been fighting Granite Quarry for many years.  We have an urgent opportunity to help stop this from occurring but we need your help.  Pechanga has sponsored a bill AB 742 which would protect their sacred and historical lands in the area of the proposed quarry site.  If this bill is passed it would virtually stop the quarry.  This is our very best chance yet…. Please send this on and ask neighbors and friends to help.  All that is needed are simple phone calls and emails to 9 senators who are on the Naturals Resources and Water Committee.  Granite Quarry is launching a great campaign to stop this bill from being passed.   For those of you who are skeptical and think you cannot make a difference think back to SSRC fighting the transmission towers in Temecula and winning.  This was the first time in history a grassroots organization stopped a project like this.  This occurred because everyone was willing to make phone calls, send emails, write letters and go to meetings!
 LET'S DO IT PEOPLE, THIS IS OUR HOMES THEY WILL RUIN WITH THIS QUIRRY!!!!!!

Comment regarding what I believe and what is happening are two different things. 1St, the Reservation was what the tribes wanted is something that I had nothing to do with. I realize that we are all American Citizens, the laws applied on the reservation are not necessarily equal off the reservation. I will site those who have worked for a tribe, for example a worker for a Casino you are not protected as a worker as off the res. I am aware also, that the pioneers who came here many years ago did not have the given authority from the government to take what they wanted as well. But that isn't the issue. It is off the reservation that I am concerned about. In order for me to be convinced the land that Granite has is sacred, then why is the Tribe having laws written by Bonnie Lowenthal, if passed that bill will kill jobs everywhere because a tribe can just say it is sacred. Then they claim that what they have is confidential and we can't see it, as what they have of sacred land is not for us to see. Show me a map or proof that it is so that is my concerns.

Asian nomads are thought to have entered the Americas via the Bering Land Bridge (Beringia), now the Bering Strait and possibly along the Northwest coast. Genetic evidence found in Amerindians' maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) supports the theory of multiple genetic populations migrating from Asia.[1][2] Over the course of millennia, Paleo-Indians spread throughout North America and South America. Exactly when the first group of people migrated into the Americas is the subject of much debate.

One of the earliest identifiable cultures was the Clovis culture, with sites dating from some 13,000 years ago. However, older sites dating back to 20,000 years ago have been claimed. Some genetic studies estimate the colonization of the Americas dates from between 40,000 to 13,000 years ago.[3] The chronology of migration models is currently divided into two general approaches. The first is the short chronology theory with the first movement beyond Alaska into the New World occurring no earlier than 14,000 – 17,000 years ago, followed by successive waves of immigrants.[4][5][6][7] The second belief is the long chronology theory, which proposes that the first group of people entered the hemisphere at a much earlier date, possibly 50,000 - 40,000 years ago or earlier.[8][9][10][11]

Artifacts have been found in both North and South America which have been dated to 14,000 BP,[12] and humans are thought to have reached Cape Horn at the southern tip of South America by this time. The Inuit and related peoples arrived separately and at a much later date, probably during the first millennium CE, moving across the ice from Siberia into Alaska.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_era

@Leroy -- Not impressed by your ability to copy/paste theories from an open source internet web site. I read it on the internet, it must be true!

Tell you what, give me 30 minutes, I'll go write an article titled "Granite Quarry" on Wikipedia that states the quarry is bad for Temecula Valley to wrap your mind around.

Everyone knows that the socalled "Native Americans aka the Indians " came from Asian.

http://pandora.cii.wwu.edu/vajda/ea210/SiberianOriginsNA.htm

How about the job killing bill AB 742 that will send many companies and good paying jobs out of California?

When only WELFARE people are left in this state how much will your house be worth then?

All because you do not what a quarry? The area was zoned for mining long before you moved here.

Well you should have checked the zoning BEFORE you moved into the area.

The valley was a great place to be BEFORE all the greenhorns moved out here from OC.

Thank you Brenda! Just wrote , and will have my husband do so tonight
And thanks Leroy, for making me even more intent on helping this cause! Your insane comments pushed me to work harder these last few mins. we have.

To Rich Loomis of Hemet, if you had attended the last neeting re the quarry, you would have heard all the reasons that the Pechangas are doing what they are doing. AB742 only pertains to the Indian reservations, and I see nothing wrong with that, do you .?
You also would have heard Garry Johnson tell us, under questioning of course, that Liberty at full production, would only employ about 50, workers, and the other 40, would be truck drivers, who have to own their own rigs, and would earn about 40K per year. A far cry from those 99 well paid jobs. It's time to face the truth, Rich.

The saying, "Consider the scource" evidently applys to Leroy

Don, first of all I am wanting all to have what is provably theirs. I want Granite to have what is rightfully their to make money with and create a cheaper aggregate, another thing if you haven't noticed we have a capitalistic society that is for all to enjoy, even the Tribe has a Golf Course, and a Casino. So, lets stop shooting arrows at each other, as we are not making any hits that effect a thing. I support Granite saying the amount of jobs that they create will depend on the economy, so it doesn't matter how long it is going to be. I heard Gary mention that with this economy, it is going to take a few years to ramp up totally. So what! How long did it take the Indians to get a Casino? It didn't matter. So let's grow up, and quit thinking what we say is going to amount to a thing.

Popeye: Do you know what the word greed means? It is easy to say but hard to for a lot of people to understand. If you had the desire, perhaps you don't have, but if you could you would have what Granite has. That isn't greed, that is the way this Country works, remember we are not Socialist, meaning we all have the same things. We are a Country established by Capitalism. What I understand is that Granite hasn't asked for a stimulus a grant or governmental contributions to get this far, and have spent million as required to accomplish a permitted area in which to have their business developed to create jobs and aggregate, and hopefully a profit. So, Popeye how would you be able to have a job and get paid if there wasn't a Granite. It isn't greed at all.

I think that is a very small amount of people do not want the quarry.

With a 100k residents in Temecula there should be 15-25k showing to say that they do not want the quarry.

Less that 1% of the residents show up and say they do not want it.

1% is not a majority.

Leroy, i've laughed at most of your comments, because honestly I think your pulling legs, no one can be as misinformed and annoying as you without putting on an act, or so I hope, but on this you are WRONG buddy- now your starting to lie and i am sure you remember what your mama told you about lying

Thats right Leroy what percentage of people (paid Granite workers, being paid to go) show up? a lot less % not to mention , not everyone can attend the meetings set up in the a.m for work purposes, thats why I skipped a few. Leroy, go bark up another tree

Enviro-Nazi
n. an environmentalist who is so anal over the cause that he or she feels it it entirely ok to trample on the rights of others to enforce his beliefs.
Most of these morons are ultra-left liberal flakes with no career ambitions or direction, but still need to find ways to keep others down in a futile attempt to elevate themselves. Many are also PETA members and all have socialist agendas.
Enviro-nazi examples are everywhere, from the bicyclists who occasionally stage a rally to block major bridges in rush hour in a vain attempt to blackmail normal people into giving up their cars to the protesters who turn up in droves with signs and attitude whenever they get word that somebody somewhere intends to cut down a tree or drill for oil.

Chris,
This is my complete feelings. The Tribe is saying the land in which Granite bought and wanting to build their quarry is on sacred land. I'm saying: prove to me that it is sacred! When the Granite Corporation bought the land, UCSD had been doing studies for 50 years, and there was no complaint, I'm just saying it isn't enough for me. I believe in the laws of these United States, and to be able to prove you have rights to something it is on you to show me the proof, in this case land that is at one time the Tribe claims is the beginning of :Mother Earth". Again, just saying so doesn't get it for me.
In the many years that have passed, I suppose there have been many people who walked on these mountains. All my friends that are Indians, I have never heard them talk about this area as sacred. My family had a Tribal Chief his name was, Ed La Chappa who worked for us for 35 years, again you would think a tribal chief would know land to be sacred. He was a Luiseno Indian in the Mission Tribe and chief of his reservation in Alpine. This is my whole thing.

Chris, You are just assuming that the location is going to be detrimental to the health of many. I just can't understand how? I been in this area my whole life, for 40 years we raised thousands of turkeys on 16 ranches in this area. The closest was about 1 mile So. of the scales. I didn't have dust conditions from the silca which is in the soil. This is basically a scare that has been well done. I can't believe you. If you think the dust is bad for you, stay in you air conditioned home and don't leave. Be a Howard Hughes, wipe everything and ware a mask. This is crazy. Granite has volunteered to add many monitors, they didn't need to but said that they would be glad to help with any conditions caused by the blasting, by the way do you tell Pechanga that they will have to monitored the Casino, as they are requesting Granite to do at the quarry, they have something that is known to be harmful, the smoke inside the Casino. No person bitches about that KILLER.

Rich Loomis is typical of the misinformation and lies spread by Granite Construction and supporters of Liberty Quarry. 1) AB 742 is specific to the quarry site that is on the original tribal lands before the Pechanga people were forcibly evicted and put on the reservation. The bill mentions the Santa Margarita River that exists nowhere else in the state. It is not a "job-killing bill" so stop repeating that lie. 2) Show us the property deeds Granite Construction owns. They mostly have lease/options with landowners looking to cash in on otherwise virtually worthless property that is nearly impossible to develop. 3) The disrespect shown toward the Pechanga people is an unfortunate "Old Tradition" that hasn't died.

Wrong Read the TEXT:
It says: with in 5000 yards of a "Sacred Site" what ever Early Asian Immigrants might think is some BS fictional site.
Remember before the Spainsh arrived the Early Asian Immigrants lived in a Stone Age era life. No written language , no metal tools, ECT

Chris/ Temecula Paul
What your telling me is crazy. First of all there isn't a person I know who is crazy enough to just stand looking at the wind sucking in air borne dust, if they do they deserve to get sick. Perhaps you know someone in Temecula that does?. My brother and sister both had breathing problems when they were young. It was due to them smoking and some because of their allergyies. This is my thoughts. We all have some kind of problems, jobs, lack of enough money and a lot of other things perhaps you can cure that as well.

Just pointing out that without a written language, who knows where they had their "sacred sites". Rememeber in grade school when you took part in the Whispher game.
The word that the firt kid whisphered in the ear of the kid next to them was not the word that the last kid spoke after they went around the classroom.

Therefore their history is just made up as they go and can not be looked as anything but yarns and tall tales.

Temecula Paul,
As I remember the quarry is about1.5 from the river. By the way, the Tribe doesn't own the river. That belongs to the tax payers or more specifically, the Government and they have the water rights to all the water that now goes straight into the Ocean. So what. Because the tribe mentioned the Santa Margarita River. The old timers (Vail Family) constructed a dam and collected the water in Vail lake. This is water from the Santa Margraita River water shed. Just because they mentioned the river that doesn't make it so.
By the way,most people have contracts describing the way in which the people secured the properties, or they have a lease with an option to buy. It also shows boundries so that the buyer isn't buying something that isn't theirs. So lets get real. Telling me that the Tribes information is there private stuff, then don't expect anyone else to show their cards as well.

If the Pachanga Early Asian Immigrants feel so strongly about the location of the quarry.
Why do they not make an offer to purchase the site at market value?

Kat, thank you for writing in, all the arguing about who is right and who is wrong isn't going to change what is happening right NOW. Leroy, if you spent all that time that you have put into copy and pasting information to Chris you could have done something more productive with your life. Are you unemployed and this is why you think we need this Quarry so bad? We don't need this Quarry, please everyone stop for a few minutes and do what Kat and I have done. We went to the source and gave our opinion of what we think about this Quarry. Write your Senators, this is what we all need to do NOW!!!!

What is it that Rich Loomis from "HEMET"' doesn't understand. Apart from 159 local doctors, 40,000 local residents, 159 businesses, and many local organisations are against this quarry. Oh, and I forgot to include most of the local wineries, and the Pechangas' that should tell you guys something. As was said before, Granite have the right to run a business and make money, we have a right to protect our health and the health of our children

Brenda S. I want to commend you for giving advice to Kat. I will say that in most cases the reason that you would go to the folks in Sacramento, would be to stop something relating to our constitution or immigration Laws. This is a local issue, and has no reason to be part of a law created by a Assemblywoman in Long Beach.. We have laws that are mostly followed by most people. This is an emotional issue, and there is not a law that protects it. That is why the Laws are so written on the substance and not on emotion. This bill that has been proposed is a jobs killer, and will stop allmost any kind of industry currently in Temecula. This is a County and local area matter and should be dealt correctly with people who know the needs of the area. The Law people who seem to attempt to change each issue and how it applies is not looking at how it applies to the Master Plan approved in a given area.

Don, I will put it right back to you. The grape people have fears that their crops won't make a lot of money in wine profits. Your concern about all the people that currently live in Temecula currently of being sick. I think you mention 40,000 people and 159 doctors that might live in Temecula. But most doctors I know live in Bear Creek. They want to be away from all you folks that as you claim are sick. Perhaps I didn't quit understand your thoughts. I think that if they are sick now----well let's see, is it because of something else as the quarry isn't created yet? Perhaps it is that they came there sick from the LA smog?

Why is someone from Hemet,having any say in what happens in our community? oh he must be a Granite lackey- prob being paid by the "comments"
Well as a Temecula resident , not one from a town so remote ( in many ways)
we prefer our " grape people" over you rock heads any day
'just sayin

Nobody has yet made an argument for the mine that stands up to any kind of scrutiny. It is plain as can be that a mine in the proposed location would be 99.9% bad for our community. It won't create any high paying jobs for curremnt Temecula residents and any jobs it would create for current Temecula residents would be entry level and not contribute much to our economy. Also it would irreparably harm sensitive archeological sites that have been identified for 60 years and more.

The correct question is: why a Assemblywoman from LONG BEACH introducing a bill that affects Temecula?
How much was the BRIBE MONEY that was paid by the Pachanga Early Asian Immigrants

Again :
If the Pachanga Early Asian Immigrants feel so strongly about the location of the quarry.
Why do they not make an offer to purchase the site at market value

The Pachanga Early Asian Immigrants sure DO NOT have a problem building a casino on thier "Sacered Land"

TVOR

The area was surveyed in the 1950's and many of the artifacts found then were turned over to the Pechanga tribe at that time. These artifacts were found in the entire area within a couple square miles of the two creeks now come together. There is no doubt that the area where the mine is proposed was heavily inhabited by the ancesters of today's Pechanga tribe.

How much was the BRIBE MONEY that was paid by the Pachanga Early Asian Immigrants paid to a Assemblywoman from LONG BEACH introducing a bill that affects Temecula?

funny and sad... is this guy Leroy for real??

Thats that I wonder moeras, I know his kind tho.. sadly, attention needy, not enough growing up, pot stirring, look at me, look at me! negative attention is better then none..sad really
i've decided to pass over his ignorant comments from now on. Just come to check on others.

Rich, Maybe I can try once again to explain some of the potential health problems.
According to the local health authorities, there are approximately 2,000 children in our school district with "Asthma:, Temecula is the perfect place for those kids to live as we presently have the best air in the County.The quarry would completely destroy that.
There are many Doctors who signed the petition that do live in Temecula, those that don't, do have offices here. but regardless of where they live, they still think a quarry would be bad for all of us.

Rich, is it fair that the wine growers would start a wine business and do well, have thousands of tourists visit them every week, bringing in over 60,million dollars each year to the City, and then have a quarry come in, spread their dust and ruin the business. I doubt that the tourists will fall over themselves to come see a quarry.

I guess that the Pachanga's are glad that the Spanish and later the Americans came and got them out of their stone age existence.

If in 10,000 years they were not able to figure out how to have a written language, would in 10,000 more years would they still be living in the stone age?

Civ·i·li·za·tion Pronunciation: \ ,si-v?-l?-'za-sh?n\

Function: noun:
a) A relatively high level of cultural and technological development ; specifically : the stage of cultural development at which writing and the keeping of written records is attained.
Courtesy of Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

How undeveloped were their? Examples:
The American Indian had not yet discovered how to make or use the wheel. Up until they were given wheels to move things, they were lashing their possessions together with strips of animal hide and dragging or carrying them. (They had not even used a domesticated horse until Cortez provided them.)
They had not developed a simple written language - they were drawing images on rocks.

Historians estimate that they had live on this continent for over 10,000 years and they had not yet developed paper.
They tied small sharpened stones to sticks and threw them at the quarry because they had not yet figured out how to make a simple metal utensil to kill their food.

The American Indian was a very undeveloped civilization. Had the white man not arrived, how long was it going to take for the American Indian to invent the electric light bulb? At the rate that they were advancing, it was probably going to take 300,000 more years for them to create a microwave oven or a gasoline engine.
They believed that they could influence the weather, a successful hunt and many other aspects of their lives by dancing around a fire.

It's anyone's guess if they would have every figured out how to make the optics needed to make a microscope to cure diseases. Would they ever have developed antibiotics to deal with simple infections?

To quote Rich, "This is a County and local area matter and should be dealt correctly with people who know the needs of the area."

And the local area people have said a resounding "NO!" Enough already!

Alice,
I hope the day doesn't come that you will want to build or buy something that is or around Temecula. The reason I am saying that is because it might be sacred as described by the bill AB742, proclaiming that no person will be able to have a business something like that of Granite as it will be refused. This may also involve folks who now have the large mansions on the hills (SOS Hills) not far from the quarry, that Granite was hoping to get passed. This was a place for people to work close to their homes. I am sure that wasn't even thought of by those who claimed "NIMBY" at the hearings. It is real sad that the folks can't understand the Government is not going to give us a stimulus to help. Their thoughts, to all those who really need help, get a job. it is apparent that the Tribe has had an influence not only in Sacramento, but as of now Temecula. I wonder, what would happen if their business would be outlawed?

;-D thank goodness!!! hoorahhh!!!!