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Occupy Wall Street Comes to Temecula

The protest is scheduled for Ynez and Winchester roads.

Temecula is about to get occupied.

A group is planning to hold a protest, called "Occupy Temecula," at 10 a.m. on Winchester and Ynez roads in Temecula.

The event was inspired by the Occupy Wall Street protests, said Violet Lorien, one of the organizers.

"For us, one of the biggest reasons we are part of the local movement here in Temecula is because … we can't afford to leave town for even a day because of my job, and we're far from the other ones," she said.

The movement's leaders are demanding better wages and social services from the richest 1 percent of the country's population, according to news reports.

Lorien hopes holding a demonstration in Temecula will show the movement stretches beyond the country's commercial center and into Main Street America.

"By creating a presence -- especially one that is visible over multiple events across weeks or months -- in our small local community, we give a graphic and visible demonstration … that there is support here for the ideas and goals that started with Occupy Wall Street," she said.

"Without the money and power of the 1 percent, the only way we can truly effect change is in numbers, and it will take small-town movements like this one to get those numbers together."

The group demonstrated in Temecula last Saturday, and they were greeted by mostly supportive honks, thumbs up and, at least once, enthusiastic shouts.

"At one point, a man in one of the far lanes opened the door of his car and stood up so he could raise a fist in solidarity and yell, 'I'm on my way to New York right now,'" Lorien recalled.


LBV Collins October 24, 2011 at 05:30 PM
You claim my logic is “pathetic,” yet you offer no logical alternative to my points. You keep referring to the same things (Biblical stories and today’s real-world events) and claim they prove God exists. Well, they don’t… and you know it. And it frustrates you that I point out that fact because you can’t refute it. You keep telling me that the Emperor’s clothes are beautiful and that only gifted minds can see them… and you hate how it reflects on you when I point out that the Emperor is naked. Instead of helping me understand how it’s possible to see the Emperor’s new clothes, you just shrug your shoulders and say that I am too stupid to understand. Jerry, if you believe God exists, I’m fine with that. (Really… I’m fine with it.) The real issue here, though, is that you apparently are not fine with me *not* believing in God. Why does that bother you? Why do you feel so compelled to prove me wrong? Why do you try to bully me into “believing” by calling me names? I can’t help but suspect, as I noted before, that my points struck you at your core because deep down inside you know I speak the Truth… that man created God and God therefore does not exist.
LBV Collins October 24, 2011 at 05:31 PM
The sad thing about you resorting to calling me names is that you did have an opportunity to convince me that God exists. I do have an open mind. I simply need a compelling argument. (After all, you’re asking me to give my soul to God… and I’m not going to hand over my soul to anyone or anything unless I’m truly convinced it’s the right thing to do.) But when you resort to calling me names (as others have in the past), it just continues to convince me that no one has a compelling argument and that God, therefore, does not exist. On a positive note, perhaps you can view our interaction as God testing your faith through me. Unfortunately, that begs the question, “Did you pass the test?” Well, Jerry, did you? Do you think God is up in Heaven giving you an approving wink and nod? Is He patting you on the back right now saying, “Good job, Jerry! Once again you convinced yourself that I Am that I Am!” Or is He disappointed in you because you failed to enlighten me, proving that you are incapable of bringing simpletons like me out of the darkness and into the light? I’ve heard it said that if you can’t explain to someone what you *think* you know, then you probably don’t really know it. And if you can’t explain to a simpleton like me why God exists, then perhaps you really don’t know Him at all.
Jerry Simeon October 25, 2011 at 03:40 PM
Again, a very eloquent dissertation, although pointless. I have been giving you information for thought that requires Higher brain function than you seem to possess. Don't open a discussion that you are not willing to participate in fully. Denial is the easyist escape possible from any Truth or Consquence. I leave you with one final simple challenge since you "choose" not to research..... Instead of occupying your brain with the "chicken or the egg" question. Explain your existence beyond what I have told you (in hopes of satisfying your theory), 2) how we are capable of having this discussion, or 3) how matter cannot be created or destroyed by you and is constant in the universe we belong to and are derived from (by chance?). My most challenging poblem with you is that you insanely deny even the spirit that is part of the eternal in you that gives you life and locomotion where your knowledge has root and will leave you when you die. God is not in His creation, creation is in God. Primary school children know this and seekers of absolute truth continue to discover this through out life. Absolutes of any sort cannot exist wthout God who is Constant and Omnipotent. Don't take anyone's word for it. Be resolved in the world you have created for yourself. Where is the argument??
LBV Collins October 26, 2011 at 06:41 PM
Jerry, you believe everything that exists, including things that are alive, could not have self-assembled through chance. Something intelligent had to create everything… and you call that something God. But your search for the Truth can’t stop there. If you’re going to conclude that God created everything, then you have to ask yourself the next obvious question: who created God? I asked that question in my late teens… and I came to learn that the God of Abraham was created by Abraham. The reality, therefore, is that the Universe existed before Man, and that Man existed before God; not the other way around. You ask me the explain the Big Questions that all people ask: Where did I come from? What existed before the Universe? What will happen to me after I die? The answer to those very big questions is simply this: No one knows. That’s a very scary answer. So to calm our fears we humans make up fanciful, happy stories about gods and fairies, and life after death where all the good people exist and are reacquainted with family and friends who have passed on before them. Fanciful, comforting stories indeed… that have zero evidence. To the contrary, the evidence supports my position that these stories are the creation of people. Well meaning stories intended to calm our fears of the unknown, but fabricated stories nonetheless.
LBV Collins October 26, 2011 at 06:42 PM
The one question you didn’t ask me is this: What is the purpose of life? Well, that’s easy… it’s whatever purpose you choose to give your life. And it seems that the purpose you chose for your life is to embrace scary stories of a vengeful God who plans to destroy all humanity, save those few who believe in Him. Let me ask you this: What do you do in your day-to-day life that warrants God’s approval… that has earned you a place in His Kingdom? What have you done to make life better for humanity? Eagerly awaiting The End of Times and telling everyone to repent and accept Jesus Christ as their Savior strike me as hollow, self serving acts that God would easily recognize as meaningless and unworthy of reward. Instead of telling scary stories that a jealous God is going to destroy those who don’t believe in Him, do you practice what Jesus did? Do you help the sick? Do you protect the weak and vulnerable? More importantly, do you perform these charitable acts because you feel in your heart it’s the right thing to do, or because you hope to curry God’s favor and be rewarded by Him in the afterlife? If an omniscient God exists, then He surely knows your true motivations.
LBV Collins October 26, 2011 at 06:42 PM
I do not believe that God created Man, but that Man created God. So when I help others in need, it’s not because I hope to please God and be rewarded by Him. I do it because I want to help people and because I feel it’s the right thing to do. I support the Occupy Wall Street protestors because I believe the ultra-wealthy usurped our Representatives to enrich their own lives at the expense of everyone else. I support same-sex marriage because I believe LGBT’s deserve to be treated with the same respect and privileges as the rest of us, and not be denied their equal rights by a “Moral Majority.” I support allowing the sick and injured access to the medications that their doctors confirm will help relieve their pain and suffering, including safe, legal access to Medical Marijuana. I do all this knowing that there is no God and that there is no reward of eternal life in His Kingdom. And if you say that’s not good enough for Him, then so be it.
Jen October 26, 2011 at 11:18 PM
Hi LBV ....I am not really sure where to start with you. :) Hmmmm, it seems like you are angry at people who believe in God. And that you do not believe in Him, but the thoughts that you have put together about God from hearing about him, makes you not want to know Him. I find that very sad, and disheartening. I pray that I have not turned you away from Him, by anything I have said here. He is a loving God, a forgiving God and a personal God. One whom anyone can get to know...He longs to know you, he paid a high price to have fellowship or communion with you. He gave the life of His only begotten Son...for you and for me. He loves you that much, and me too....I never really believed it when I first heard the good news...it seemed like a fairy tale, something you've been told to believe by your parents or pastor. So of course, I rebelled, turned my back on my family, church and God. Went my own way for many years...didn't want to attend any church (because I thought they were all hypocrites)...and I didn't want to be a hypocrite by going. So I stopped going and planned to never go again. But something inside of me...told me that there has to be more to life than just living and getting married and having a family and then dying. What were we here on earth to do? What was our purpose? Why was I born? I had a lot of questions and I had no real answers...so I began my journey of seeking the truth out for myself....I started down a spiritual path, mostly new age.
Jen October 26, 2011 at 11:25 PM
.....and that led me to things of the other side...astrology, mind stuff and some books that were totally new age. At the same time, because I knew there was something out there...something more than just what I could see...I began to go back to church. (my story is kinda long) so I will try and shorten it up some. Met a family who were born again Christians and who lived it...they lived a godly life and they had fun at the same time...they invited me to live with them and be their nanny, for their youngest child ...and I became a part of a family who treated me like a daughter, loved me unconditionally and accepted me for who I was. There love convicted me every day, and finally one day, after much soul searching, fasting and reading the Bible...I knelt down upstairs in my room and said, "God if you are real, reveal yourself to me." And he did...I felt a warmth come over me...enter me and my eyes were opened...I couldn't believe it! The BIBLE was real! And God was real! Everything was illuminated and I fiinally understood the Bible, because now I had the Holy Spirit living in me...that's what it means to be a Christian and to be born again..you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you receive Him into your heart and life and he takes up residence...and gives you His Holy Spirit to help you..to learn, to know things that you wouldn't know...and to know things that are coming...He will lead you and guide you into all truth... I hope you didn't mind me sharing.
LBV Collins October 29, 2011 at 04:08 PM
Hi Jen. Thanks for the thoughtful comment and, no, I don’t mind you sharing. I used to believe in God (was born and raised Lutheran Christian), but ultimately concluded that God was created by Man. I came to that conclusion almost 30 years ago. (So don’t worry, nothing you’ve said turned me away from Him.) I’m not angry at people who believe in God. Quite the opposite. In my experience, believing in God has had a profound, positive impact on many people and has enriched their lives. I think that’s a good thing. Where I do have a problem, though, is when that positive energy is usurped by preachers who wish to guide believers down the path of fear and intolerance. Fearing The End of Times, fearing the wrath of God, fearing the Antichrist… none of these views enrich someone’s life, but fill them with dread and anxiety.
LBV Collins October 29, 2011 at 04:08 PM
As much as I detest preachers infusing fear into the hearts of people, I dislike even more those who preach intolerance… especially in the name of God. Pastor Terry Jones preaching hatred of Islamists and burning the Qur'an, those who preach hatred and intolerance of homosexuals, or those who attempt to force their particular beliefs and interpretations of the Bible on others while ignoring everyone’s First Amendment rights to religious freedom… those are the people that I truly cannot tolerate. I firmly believe in our First Amendment rights to worship as we wish. And I support those rights even though I’m atheist. But I won’t support those who use the Bible’s teachings to preach fear of the Day of Reckoning, and intolerance of those deemed “different” than us. I’m glad that you found God and that it helped you in a positive way.
Tonto October 29, 2011 at 04:18 PM
Santabama comming to town. Get your wish lists ready. I'm getting a new free house, car, and cash ! OCCUPY YES !!
Popeye October 29, 2011 at 05:53 PM
Oh no the Tea Party is occupying Wall Street. Tea Party wanting more hand outs.
Tonto October 29, 2011 at 08:10 PM
Pops - i don't mean to ruin your day but Occupy is about take a backseat to a new colossal save Nobama liberal media creation. Its getting to cold everywhere they need to shift gears with a new distraction where people don't need to mill around in parks :)
Popeye October 30, 2011 at 12:24 AM
Tonto you must drinking the Koollaid. The Fascist/Terrorist/KKK Tea Party is the architect of this Occupy. The are trying to dismantle America, while collecting their government checks and not paying taxes.
Tonto October 30, 2011 at 12:40 AM
Pops -Soon you will be singing the glory of - Obama: Hero of Iraq ! Fearless military leader marches on !
Popeye October 30, 2011 at 12:52 AM
Tonto, your fascist beliefs is unAmerican. As a GOP, there is nobody going to beat Obama. To many stupid people in the party.
Tonto October 30, 2011 at 12:55 AM
Thats what all the liberal media polls, which are unquestionably true, say. I'm sorry the media has to shift gears to the new and greater diversion. You will do OK :)
watchingthings October 30, 2011 at 12:55 AM
I am still surprised... I thought residents here were smarter then this... Sit on the corner and occupy, its not only retarded but a waste of your time! You are not doing anything for yourself but wasting time. Plant a garden or do something that will help you...
Jerry Simeon October 30, 2011 at 12:58 AM
Jen, you are a new creation in Christ, and thru baptism are a child of the living God. Beware of a fool who considers himself greater than God. To him there is no God but himself. So be it. Sometimes the "chaff" separates itself from the "Wheat". In the end there will be two questions...Did you love God with all your might?.... Did you love your neighbor as yourself? You have already and will continue to meet those who walk the earth seeking the ruin of souls by committing the sins of Lucifer.... vanity, disobedience, and rebellion along with many other temptations.
Jerry Simeon October 30, 2011 at 01:05 AM
LBV, you are an intelligent sounding moron, liar, and a fake for all the reasons I previously noted and the ones you you "choose" to ignore..
Popeye October 30, 2011 at 01:11 AM
Facism is occupying the corner.
LBV Collins October 30, 2011 at 02:20 AM
Uh-oh, Jerry… Matthew 5:22 - But I tell you, everyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. And whoever says to his brother, 'Fool!' will be subject to the Sanhedrin. But whoever says, 'You moron!' will be subject to hellfire. Bummer. Well… don’t worry about it. For whatever it’s worth, I forgive you.
Tonto October 30, 2011 at 02:23 AM
Fascist ? you can do better then that...why don't you mock me for my spelling and tell me how stupid i am instead :)
Popeye October 30, 2011 at 02:36 AM
Tonto, I don't have to mock you. You answered you own question.
Tonto October 30, 2011 at 03:48 AM
Is that like facebook or somthin ? hope the spinach holds out :)
Jerry Simeon October 30, 2011 at 07:43 PM
Whew, thanks for a minute there I was sorry that I created you. I feel better now.
Matteau Jones November 12, 2011 at 09:07 PM
Jeff, you've hear dinterviews that went nowhere becuase you watch the mainstream news. Fox, CNN, NBC, ...etc. They consistently misrepresent what goes on at occupations and why we are there. also, we are talking about the corporations and their greed. Guess who owns the large corporations...the 1 percent. You are right stakeholders need to be given more considerstion. That is why we protest. Tyhe mainstream media can spin the story anyway they want to. My point is that we are protesting the system that allows for the exploitation and marginalization of the majority of americans. The issues that effect this are much more complex than blaming one group of individuals. So, you are right. it is not enough to pound on the 1 percent. The large corporations are to blam also. So is the media. So is the government (congress, the president). You too are to blame for your inaction We are all to blame.. What we are trying to do now is come up with solutions to the problem. If you would like to help us come up with solutions, come down to one of our general assembly meetings to discuss.
Matteau Jones November 12, 2011 at 09:11 PM
Tonto, our protest is not for Obama. It is against the system. Obama is part of the system, but we are not naive enough to think that he has caused all of our problems. Again it is the system, not just one cog in the system. Also, whats with the alla akbar???
Matteau Jones November 12, 2011 at 09:24 PM
Mike the protests are not against capitalism. Where do you get your information? The news? seriously, turn off your TV. We are protesting the governent bailouts from Bush and Obama. We are protesting the corporate welfare system, perpetuated by both political parties. This system has gotten us into this recession.
Matteau Jones November 12, 2011 at 09:30 PM
Samantha. You could just come down and tlak to us instead of waiting for the news reporters to actually do their job. We're all more than willing to talk to you, as long as you are civil and not there simply to call us names.

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