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UPDATE: Victims of Temecula Fatal Identified as Seniors

The crash on Jefferson Avenue, near Rancho California Road, was reported at 3:08 p.m., according to Cal Fire.

UPDATE 9:55 p.m.:

Two people who died at the scene of a fatal crash in Temecula were identified as senior citizens from Yorba Linda.

Amar Jain, 74, and Cheryl Jain, 66, were both pronounced dead at the scene of the crash, according to the Riverside County Coroner's office.

Amar Jain was the driver and was trapped in the sedan; he was pronounced dead at 3:18 p.m.

Cheryl Jain was the passenger in the car; she was pronounced dead at 3:22 p.m.

This story was modified at 5:50 p.m. Oct. 20, 2012 to add information.

Update 4:40 p.m.:

Two people in an SUV died at the scene of a crash that tied up traffic into Old Town and was expected to keep Jefferson Avenue at Rancho California Road shut down for hours.

"It's just a whole … still in progress investigation," Riverside County sheriff's Sgt. John Magnan said at the scene.

A motorist in a silver vehicle that struck the SUV suffered "major" injuries, the sergeant told Patch.

According to Magnan, the blue SUV was turning on Jefferson when the westbound silver vehicle struck it.

Two other vehicles were somehow involved in a crash and investigators were trying to determine whether the silver vehicle continued on to hit them, the sergeant said.

Motorists were asked to stay off southbound Jefferson and if traveling to Old Town, to take Ynez Road and turn on Santiago Road or just use the Old Town freeway exit.

On a side note, a pickup truck driver who apparently tried to jump a concrete divider and avoid the stalled traffic at the crash site was ticketed for an alleged illegal U-turn.

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A multi-vehicle crash in Temecula Saturday left two people dead and one seriously injured, officials said.

A motorist killed in the crash -- reported on Jefferson Avenue, near Rancho California Road shortly after 3 p.m. -- was trapped in a vehicle and emergency crews were working to extricate that person's remains.

Another person died at the scene, Cal Fire's Melody Hendrickson said.

A third person was taken to an area hospital with serious injuries, according to Hendrickson.

--Daniel Lane contributed to this report.

 

No one October 26, 2012 at 06:55 PM
No MTS209 you are correct. She is not the subject of this article but she inserts herself into this one and others on Patch Temecula or other Patch cities. Yes we could choose to ignore Brenda or not read her opinionated, often wrong, conclusions about tragic accidents but after awhile, her misinformation, witch hunt-like suggestions, gets to people who have objective minds, thus the need to speak out. I agree, however, with your suggestion that we have the choice to read or not to read and probably better for all concerned if we ignore Brenda's myopic view of things! Better not to engage her.
Gandhi October 26, 2012 at 08:23 PM
I'd rather not engage YOU and LHJ Becca!! Calling someone's opinions "witch-like, myopic, misleading, and wrong", who are you, judge, jury and trial?? She is entitled to her opinions without being bashed by you two on here! I totally agree with MTS209, however, this article is about those who lost lives, loved ones and are suffering now and MY thoughts and prayers are with them. Please stop making these negative and WRONG remarks about somebody posting here who has every right to do so. We are sick of YOUR rantings about Brenda!! Get a life, please!!
LHJ October 26, 2012 at 09:27 PM
Gardendziner, I find your responses interesting.. Please do continue posting. However, if you would "rather not engage" me, don't. That's your choice. I personally find it interesting how someone such as yourself posts that some people are "entitled" to their "opinions" without being "bashed"... yet when someone posts their opinions, you or Brenda are entitled to disregard your claim of such entitlements and engage in your own bashing.. I pose the same question to you... Who are you to judge? I personally don't care what you think of what I have to say. I don't care if you do "bash" me or criticize what I say. I like the exchange, it keeps my blood flowing.. lol If you have that much more life than I do, live it.. enjoy it... don't get so worked up that you have to defend someone who has obviously been on the Patch for quite a while and has proven herself to be as prolific in the ability to throw stones as anyone else posting comments on the Patch.. let her fight her own battles.. or is there some connection between you two that compels you to take up her banner? With regard to this article, there is no place in the article that even hints at "condolences" for the family. In fact, the surviving family isn't even a consideration in the article. The article is about a crash that took two people's lives. Some people commenting here have attempted to make it about other family members. I don't send condolences.. (1 of 2)
No one October 26, 2012 at 09:28 PM
Dear Gardendziner: I am not sure who you are referring to when you say "we" maybe you and Brenda, or maybe just you cause I am fairly certain you and Brenda are one in the same--who else would be so passionate in their defense? I think you should add to your comment Amazinglies, Popeye and flowergirl and from other patch sites where Brenda has posted, Michael P, Trust not, Smitherinez, Marine203--all have had an occasion to point out to Brenda that she jumps to blame without knowing the facts and frequently when given the facts point blank, she disregards them. I do not know why you feel the need to be defender of Brenda, she is fully capable of defending herself. Whatever.....as for admonishing me to get a life...I am not the one who is posting photos of myself taken by me in the bathroom nor do I post at 2:35am..I have a life. Not following this tread any longer so feel free to post away whatever you want Brenda and your imaginary friend Gardendziner.
LHJ October 26, 2012 at 09:37 PM
I have that choice. I don't know those people and I don't know what their relationships were. I stay out of that, unless the article were to include information that gave insight into those relationships. Everyone who loses a loved one finds out that the one or ones lost were perfect and should be enshrined in some way, in the minds of people who didn't know them. I personally don't get involved in that. I don't have too. Hope you have a wonderful day and you are able to recover from your traumatic experience of reading my posts.. If not, my condolences to your family... (not really), I see you are a tough one.. you will get over it and go on to the next article, comments section and express your outrage over someone else expressing their opinions you don't believe are as entitled as you and Brenda.. Regardless.. Have fun.. maybe we will get the opportunity to do this again sometime soon.. It's exciting isn't it??
Gandhi October 26, 2012 at 10:14 PM
I am definitely NOT Brenda, get that through your thick heads now. You two need to go get lives, you are pathetic. What I do, when I do it, and who I defend or dont defend is MY BUSINESS, NOT YOURS!! GOT IT?! I'm not concerned as to whether you understand MY motivation, its of NO concern to me whatsoever. I am not "posting photos" Becca, I attached ONE picture as a "profile" photo here, obviously if you had a brain, you could then see that I am obviously NOT Brenda. I, unlike you two, am not afraid to show my face on this posting, I've got no reason to. Isnt there some way I can disengage from getting these comments sent to my email in box???????????!!!! These two individuals are unbelievable.
Amazing Lies October 26, 2012 at 10:24 PM
Gardendziner, If you comment, Patch is courteous enough to send you updates. The rest of us also receive all of your comments too. You could flag Patch comments as spam or junk in your email settings, or you could refrain from commenting. Your choice. As for your photos, there were two on your profile page. More than one would qualify for the plural. However, it's difficult to tell you apart from someone who has no profile photos/drawings/images at all. Thanks for the entertainment. Are you having fun yet?
LHJ October 26, 2012 at 10:27 PM
LMAO!!! You are a piece of work Gardendziner, You think you have all the entitlements and nobody else has the right to respond to you? Read the terms of service, you are engaging in the same thing you accuse others of doing.. Isn't it fun... Until someone disagrees with you... Get over it.. if you don't want anyone responding to you, keep your comments to yourself.. You WILL receive responses if you comment.. That's just the way it goes.. You take up for someone who is being criticized, you get the responses too... Don't like it? Too bad.. I didn't respond to you until you addressed me directly. If you don't want me to engage in an exchange, leave my username out of your comments.. Grow up and get over it.. You have no more entitlements than I do.. You are not entitled anymore than any of us..
LHJ October 26, 2012 at 10:37 PM
Gardendziner, There is an interesting little trick you can do with your email box. When you get a response from the Patch about this comments section, delete it without reading it.. It might help with your compulsion to respond with your obvious contempt for anyone who disagrees with you. lol
Gandhi October 27, 2012 at 01:34 AM
LOL yourself LHJ! Just gotta have the last word doncha? I dont respond with contempt to anyone who disagrees with me. I dont see any particular point of disagreement actually on here. You, obviously just like to argue, I'm really starting to see what Brenda goes through now, pretty obnoxious. There is NO need to respond to every single comment here LHJ, so YOUR comment about people responding is completely illogical. No, "Amazing Lies", I am NOT having fun, are you? I would really like to be totally removed from this conversation actually, but I see no way of doing so here, its like once you're in, you're in forever. Kind of a cyber-hell if you ask me. There is NO reason for ANYBODY to respond to this message by the way - there is nothing that requires any response here ok? So just go find something else annoying to do to someone else. Thank you.
MTS209 October 27, 2012 at 01:46 AM
I have one reason to reply... At the bottom of every e-mail notice from the Patch regarding this article you receive there is a message at the bottom, as follows: "You received this email because you commented on UPDATE: Victims of Temecula Fatal Identified as Seniors on Temecula Patch. To stop receiving updates for this Article, click here. To manage all of your email updates, click here. To unsubscribe from all Patch emails, click here." So there is a way to opt out of receiving additional e-mails on this article. You will not receive any if you do not ever leave a comment. Hope this helps.
Gandhi October 27, 2012 at 08:45 AM
Thank you MTS209, I REALLY appreciate that!
Michael October 27, 2012 at 08:14 PM
Wait! We have personal pages. When did this happen? And don't criticize me on not saying sorry for the family, I already did that. And I stood up for you in case you didn't see it.
Michael October 27, 2012 at 08:19 PM
Oh My Gosh!!!!! If you do not like what Brenda is saying then delete your account on PATCH. That's what a smart person does. No offence. So as for right now about all of you people who post on PATCH. It's kinda funny when a high schooler has to tell you off. EMBARASSING!!!! To you guys.
Michael October 27, 2012 at 08:20 PM
Hallielujah! How do you spell that. At least someone doesn't criticize Brenda. Thanks I am on her side only to stop getting people to be so rude. At least your not adding to the rude people
Michael October 27, 2012 at 08:26 PM
I am pretty sure I am defending her too. And trust me I am not an imaginary friend. So Gardenziner is not the only one defending the innocent. And not the only one criticizing the rude, stupid, annoying, bullys, and whatever else you (becca), LHJ, flower girl, and many others want to call yourselfs besides those kinda mean but true words.
Michael October 27, 2012 at 08:31 PM
There is a reason that Temecula is the 2nd safest city in America according to one magazine forgot which one. Because our cops care about us and arrest the stupid people smoking illegal streets. They are good enough for me to see everyday in the newspaper that they caught drugs at the checkpoint. I bet if LA were in charge of our checkpoint there would be drugs up the 15 freeway in utah and idaho and in Canada by now. Some should be grateful our cops are trying to keep us safe. And I know a couple of the Temecula cops and they are very nice.
Michael October 27, 2012 at 08:37 PM
I don't know if you still check this page because of the last two comments you had with MTS209. But you are the only person on this page I respect.
Brenda October 28, 2012 at 12:52 AM
Thank you Michael and Garden. I respect you both and alot of people here in the comments who care about others. That is what its all about, caring. :)
No one October 29, 2012 at 04:48 PM
Michael, I take offense to your post calling me "stupid" this is clearly a violation of the TOS patch has laid out for proper posts. Additionally no one here called anyone names like you. We merely were exercising our First Amendment rights, saying that jumping to conclusions ALL the time when there are these tragic accidents is wrong. The police have not completed their investigation, the dead have not yet been buried and someone on this board decides she will be judge and jury. Just because we disagree with your friend is not a reason to become hostile and call us "stupid" if anything we are capable of clearly reviewing the facts, reading other newspapers and making up our own minds. We are totally in our right to post objections to people who state their opinions as fact when in fact they are not. I flagged your name calling posts as inappropriate and hope Patch will take action. NO I will not delete my account on Patch and for you to suggest that only confirms my opinion about you, Brenda and you myopic way of viewing the World!
MTS209 October 29, 2012 at 05:47 PM
Becca, you are correct....at first I just took Michael's ranting and name calling as an immature high school kid. However, you are right, no one, despite their age has the right to call anyone names here.
Galactic Cannibal October 29, 2012 at 05:53 PM
Hey Becca try not to flag other posters . Challenge them ..yes. but don't flag them . Unless you want to stifle freedom of speech. And if you want to stifle freedom of speech, then you have little or no respect for our First Amendment.....Have you ?
No one October 29, 2012 at 06:22 PM
Galactic you don't understand the 1st admendment-cannot yell fire in a theater when there is none. Calling people names and slandering them is not freedom of speech.
Amazing Lies October 29, 2012 at 07:13 PM
Galactic Cannibal, Becca and MTS209, I would suggest that anyone feeling the need to "Challenge" consider clicking on the user names of those who have posted on this article. It appears to me that anyone attempting to respond to those initiating the name calling that has occurred here is subject to having their account removed. My husband's account was deleted for "inappropriate personal remarks" while those who were calling him names still have their accounts. There seems to be someone on the Patch staff who has favorites, picking some users that they don't like to delete and allowing their favorites to post with as much vitriol as they can muster. Until now, I have waited to see what transpired, as my husband did appeal to the person who told him his account was removed. It would appear his appeal was rejected, so I am speaking out about it. I would advise anyone here to be very careful not to engage in exchanges with other users. It seems Brenda is free to say anything she wishes to say, as are Michael and others. The person who deleted my husband's account suggested he make another username. My husband does not create more than one username to post and has refused to create a new one. It seems to me that on the Patch, your right to freedom of speech is not guaranteed. It is subject to arbitrary censorship, using a standard which seems to be personal preference and maybe a little skewed.
Michael October 30, 2012 at 12:43 AM
Whoa! Go back a little. When did I do specifically to you. Yeah you can infer it but it is just sickening when everyone turns against someone else. You flag my comment inappropriate but when Popeye calls her a village idiot its ok. All I said was Stupid and an adult like you who, I am just saying, everyone gets bullyed sometime in their life, you were probably bullied or got teased and probably just let it go. To think an adult would get offended from a high schooler. I am pretty sure most adults would just ignore it. I wasn't trying to be mean but when all you guys start drama about Brenda then it gets annoying. There is more drama on this page then middle and high school. And as a matter of fact as long as I am not saying anything to harm the president I perfectly allowed to call people whatever I want. I passed the eigth grade. But, according to your posts about the first ammendment you must not have passed the eigth grade. Sorry if you take that to offense just like how you flagging my comment as inappropriate is offensive. Maybe you should take into consideration that some people just take frustration out on this because they know what its like to get bullied at school and they don't want others to go through it online so they would like to defend that person even if it means calling them stupid.
Michael October 30, 2012 at 12:45 AM
Amazing lies are you saying I am in the wrong?
Michael October 30, 2012 at 12:50 AM
Have you ever thought that maybe people have problems on their own. Adding to my last comment. Maybe Brenda is having a hard time and then you guys criticising her is making it worse. I have Aspergers and get bullied at school. A lot of it I start but don't mean to start it. So now do you want to start drama and get everyone on this post to make fun of my Aspergers. Go ahead. Have a competition so see how many people can make fun of me because I have Austism. In case you don't understand Aspergers is a form of Austism.
Michael October 30, 2012 at 12:54 AM
Oh well I didn't see where I actually referred you guys too stupid. My bad. But anyone who just rambles on about how much you don't have all the facts and just harasses Brenda on her comments honestly must not be very smart. And you called us imaginary friend I am pretty sure I have a body to be able to type on the keyboard. So if I were you I would just stop because you aren't any better than I am.
Michael October 30, 2012 at 12:56 AM
Brenda, I don't know if you have noticed but now they are harassing me on calling them stupid. Most adults would ignore it. They call me immature. Letting a high schooler offend them. At least some people understand. Thanks Brenda
Brenda October 30, 2012 at 04:24 AM
Yes, Michael, unfortunately that is the way it appears now, and you are the victim, a kid for heavensake. The best is ignore as nothing you have said is out of line. And definately no TOS violations on Patch. Not you nor I are to blame for accounts being deleted so don't listen to threats. I don't even know who Amazings husband is and I am sure you dont. Not my style nor is there any reason to know. A time ago, Amazing and I had found safe ground and apparently that has went shaky overnight which is unfortunate. You are right, its bullying. IGNORE Michael my friend and make your comments on the articles and subjects if you are interested in it. You are a very mature young man and I am happy you came along here with Gardend too. My life is great, and I might have been bullied a little bit in young years I dont really remember anything specific, but I have seen it done, and I have now suffered it here horribly for the first time in my life, here of all places. Michael keep going in the direction you are and you will continue to be a fine man, supportive and caring, who took the time to look and see what I say and DO NOT say, same as Gardend did, and other regulars. I appreciate that. Now no more comments for us here right and ignore!!?!!! See ya on the Patch Michael, let it go and thank you again!!!

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