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City Of Temecula Plans To Honor Pechanga For Ending Liberty Quarry

"It was a heroic effort. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts.”

The City of Temecula is planning to celebrate Dec. 11, and the public is invited to join and enjoy free hot dogs and holiday cookies.

Mayor Chuck Washington told the audience gathered at Tuesday night's regularly scheduled city council meeting that he is looking forward to celebrating several key milestones at the Dec. 11 city council meeting.

First, Washington said council is expected during the Dec. 11 meeting to consider a proclamation honoring the Pechanga Band of Luiseño Mission Indians for its purchase of 365 acres of land owned by Watsonville, Calif.-based Granite Construction. The land was the former site of the much-contested Liberty Quarry project.

While the exact details of the proclamation have not been shared, Washington suggested the city consider formally marking Nov. 15 as a day to honor the Pechanga tribe for its $20 million investment in Temecula. Nov. 15 represents the day in which Pechanga Band of Luiseño Indians tribal chairman Marc Macarro officially announced the agreement with Granite.

Washington said he is open to other ideas from the community on ways to  honor the tribe.

City Councilwoman Maryann Edwards echoed Washington’s sentiments and said Pechanga has “taken away the biggest threat … to our city. It was a heroic effort. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts.”

To prevent an issue like Liberty Quarry from surfacing again, Mayor Pro Tem Mike Naggar said he would like to see the city scrutinize property outside the Temecula city limits.

“We have to be a little bit proactive,” Naggar said, suggesting the city should compile a list of parcels that might be considered for annexation or purchase by the city.

Although the fight over Liberty Quarry is over, the city is still wrangling with two lawsuits it filed over the issue. City Attorney Peter Thorson announced Tuesday that council approved moving forward on litigation in the fast-track case and pursuing compensation for attorney's fees in the environmental impact report case against the county.

In addition to the Liberty Quarry issue, the city may also be celebrating the Nov. 24 crowning of Great Oak High School’s girl’s cross-country team as state champions. Washington said the city would like to honor the team and a formal invite to the Dec. 11 meeting will be sent to the girls.

Lastly, the city will administer to Washington and Naggar the oath of office during the Dec. 11 meeting, which is the last city council meeting of the 2012 calendar year.

Both councilmen were re-elected to office by Temecula residents during the Nov. 6 election.

The Dec. 11 meeting is currently scheduled for 7 p.m. at the Temecula Civic Center.

Editor's Note: Temecula City Council members Jeff Comerchero and Ron Roberts were absent during Tuesday's meeting.

Bret D. Rijke November 28, 2012 at 10:42 PM
@"Lake Elsionre Resident" Page 3: And some more... There was a case in which a warrior got upset at a captive baby’s crying so he ripped the baby from its mother’s arms, threw the baby on the ground and speared it as the mother was forced to watch. In another case a mother’s baby was tossed up in the air and let fall the ground repeatedly until the baby died—and the mother was forced to watch. There were cases in which mothers were forced to watch their babies starve to death. Children were sometimes forced to watch their mothers and fathers beaten to death. In one attack a young girl witnessed her father being slaughtered (that was common). Then her pregnant mother was ripped open and the baby torn out. The warriors then took turns raping the girl before finally burning her to death.
Bret D. Rijke November 28, 2012 at 10:43 PM
@ "Lake Elsinore Resdident" Page 4: And just to hammer home the point... It was not uncommon for family members to be raped, burned, scalped or otherwise tortured and killed in front of other family members. Sometimes the bloody scalps of dead family members would be smeared in the faces of other family members. Imagine being forced to watch your father be tortured to death, your mother raped and tortured, and then have their bloody scalps smeared in your face! For example, a boy watched as Indians sliced open his sister to remove her unborn baby, which they then nailed to a tree.
Bret D. Rijke November 28, 2012 at 10:49 PM
@ "Lake Elsinore Resident" Page 5: "These atrocities were not committed by one or two Indian tribes. They were committed by tribes like the Apaches, Sioux, Comanches, Araphaoes, Cheyennes, Blackfoot, Lakotas, Shoshones, Bannocks, Mojaves, Yavapais, Crow, Kiowas, Kickapoos, Utes, and Chiricahuas. The point is only to provide some balance. To be sure, some white settlers committed terrible crimes and atrocities against Indians, Africans and others, but the idea of the imperialistic white Americans regularly slaughtering innocent, peace-loving Indians for no reason, is mythology pure and simple. It is not legitimate to white-wash history just because what actually happened is no longer politically correct." - Gregory and Sussan Michno (A Fate Worse Than Death)
Original Pechanga November 28, 2012 at 10:56 PM
The facts are, Pechanga, led by Mark Macarro are untrustworthy. Remember, Macarro lied to Congress when he told Sen. Kyl that land they were seeking placed into trust would not be built on? Well, now, it's a golf course. Their response: ZONING CHANGE. http://www.originalpechanga.com/2008/03/pechanga-tribe-lie-is-as-good-as-truth.html Pechanga hasn't even brought the expenditure up for approval to the General Membership
Galactic Cannibal November 29, 2012 at 04:07 PM
Bret D Rijke.... Hey Dude, the English who came off the Mayflower and their followers were illegal aliens, running away from their own country England. What you omitted in your description were the violent punishments handed out in England back in those days. .Example a person would be Hanged Drawn and Quartered, or a person would be burned alive at the Stake etc . .A political opponent would have his head chopped off , and placed on a spike outside the Tower of London after he was tortured on a RACK.. Those English illegal settlers and their followers eventually stole the Lands of the native Indians . And reduced most of the Indian tribes to starvation in controlled pales. Fast forward a few hundred years and the new manufactured American nation had no hesitation , to use its military, to incinerate approx 150,000 Japanese civilians by dropping H- Bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima Does hypocrisy and "holier than though" ever inter your mind Dude.....
Bret D. Rijke November 29, 2012 at 07:41 PM
@ Galatic Cannibal Response page 1: First off, my post was not directed to defend what our Founding Fathers and the Puritans fled. Why would I defend the tyrannical governments which led to the founding of our Republic? Second, if you really want to get into the whole “who was here first” argument, that would be entirely for another thread. Suffice to say, the Native Americans (or Indians if you will) were absolutely not on the North American Continent first. Just for starters, I could direct you to research the Kennewick Man. But this would be but one of many examples of how other cultures (good evidence for Polynesians for one) far pre-dates the “Noble Indian” claptrap being shoved down our throats today.
Bret D. Rijke November 29, 2012 at 07:42 PM
@ Galatic Cannibal Response page 2: Specifically my answer was directed at the false idea that the Indian tribes, which inhabited the North American continent at the time of our interaction during the 1600-1900 time frames, were noble, gentle, and at one with nature peoples who were exterminated by the evil White man. I simply posted several paragraphs which carried eyewitness testimonies from White settlers who were engaged in the aftermath of conflicts with these “noble creatures”. Obviously, their demeanor and treatment of the Whites was far from noble. So you’re bringing up how the tyrannical governments in France, Germany, and England really have no bearing on how the Indians treated captured combatants in North America. Let alone how you imagined the dropping of the atomic bomb has any bearing upon the cruelty meted out by the Indians to the settlers! But you did allude to the false “stolen land” theory, and if you can clear out the bull crap you have been spoon fed over the last 60+ years, I would be glad to offer you a more truthful and illuminating insight as to how and why we came into the possessions of some of the lands we are now living upon. Do you think you can really clear your mind and listen as you read? Let’s find out!
Bret D. Rijke November 29, 2012 at 07:42 PM
@ Galatic Cannibal response page 3: There were four waves of migration into the North American continent by European Settlers that pre-date “modern times”. These were; 1629-1640 and included the Puritans in Massachusetts Bay. The second was 1642-1675 and included a few Aristocrats and a large number of indentured servants. Then in 1675-1725 we see a settlement of Welsh and the North Midlands people into the Delaware Valley. The last was from 1718-1775 and mainly comprised of Yorkshire, Scotland, and the Irish into the Appalachian backcountry. Now, it would be foolhardy for me to claim in that in all of the Colonies at this time there did not exist treatment of the Indians that was not gracious and nice. Obviously when we look at the character of all men, there resides odious behavior upon all cultures. And we would be mistaken to always judge the actions and comportment of men in older times in regards to the absolutes we now claim. The methods of imprisonment and punishment, for example, in what at the time were considered just and civilized societies, would curdle the stomach of you and I today. But when compared and judged against the times, we must make allowances in most cases for what we at first would deem excessive and harsh action.
Bret D. Rijke November 29, 2012 at 07:43 PM
@ Galatic Cannibal Response Page 4: So, how did these Europeans steal, as you claim, the lands of nomadic and stone age tribes? Let’s take a look at just one example. The Puritans were reputed to have stolen land from the Indians during the Pequot Wars. Contrary to the popular myths, Indians did have a sound understanding of land ownership and no evidence has ever been uncovered which has proved the idea of the Indians viewing those lands as “common land”. They had been warring for hundreds of years with each other long before the first settlers landed. So, the colonists in this region had first sought the permission of the local Indian tribes (Roger Williams specifically) after agreement and payment they occupied those lands. See, the Englishmen settling understood that the King’s Grants established only political rights, not property rights. These had to gained through the agreement of the locals, which they were. In point of fact, the Connecticut Valley settlements were encouraged by the Indians.
Bret D. Rijke November 29, 2012 at 07:44 PM
@ Galatic Cannibal Response page 5: As each colony expanded, the Indians were always eager for trade. They willingly traded land for mechanical improvements, such as metal knives and hoes, jewelry, and cloth. Often, the Indians themselves initiated such bargaining. Despite the trading of land, the Puritans still allowed the Indians to keep hunting and fishing rights on the lands, now legally procured by the settlers. In fact, as the Puritans were not themselves hunters, it made sense to allow the Indians to pursue these endeavors as it allowed the settlers access for trading to animal skins and such. So how does all of this lead to war? Due to the inevitable sickness that the Europeans brought with them (smallpox specifically), the Indians suffered a spate of deaths which left a power and population vacuum in what is now known as the Hartford area. The other rival tribes then knowingly sold these lands to the English settlers setting off the war. The war “officially” kicked off when the Pequot tribe murdered a Dutch merchant. Interestingly, the other tribes willingly joined up with the Englishmen in their war against the Pequot. So much for the theory of peaceful Indians!
Bret D. Rijke November 29, 2012 at 07:44 PM
@ Galatic Cannibal Response page 6: This is but one of many examples of how these conflicts came into being. The violence subsequently visited upon the Indian and the Settler during these wars was frightful. The debasement of the conducting of war attained legendary levels on both sides. Look to Thomas Jefferson’s description of the Indians conduct, knowing full well his overall positive viewpoint on the Natives, when he wrote thus in the Declaration of Independence; “He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.” And of course should you require more elucidation upon this subject feel free to re-read my earlier posts, which highlights the sub-human activities and dispels the notion of the “Noble Savage”.
David Shisler November 29, 2012 at 08:02 PM
Wow how shallow of Bret D Rijke and his rant on the pass history of the American Indians, who had their land taken from them. What about the noble people of this nation vaporizing the inhabitants of two cities using the atom, I guess we're not peace loving Americans.
David Shisler November 29, 2012 at 09:05 PM
From Roger Williams "Boast not proud English, of thy birth & blood; Thy brother Indian is by birth as Good. Of one blood God made Him, and Thee and All, As wise, as fair, as strong, as personal." King James Grant included the following: All firm lands, soils, grounds, creeks, inlets, havens, ports, seas, rivers, islands, waters, fishings, mines, minerals, percious stones, quarries, and all and singular the commodities and jurisdictions, both within the said tract of land lying upon the main, as also within the said islands and seas adjoining.
Bret D. Rijke November 29, 2012 at 09:10 PM
@ David Shisler Really? Way to avoid the entire point of my reply to “Lake Elsinore Resident”. He obliquely ascribed to a perspective of the Indians remains being decimated by the evil “White Man”. I simply gave him some information to counter the all too one sided history being taught. How the deployment of an atomic bomb about 100 years later, in a complete different scene and political landscape has bearing on the relationship between Indians and Settlers is beyond me. But if you want to debate, or exchange ideas, on the efficacy of our nation deploying two atomic bombs on the empire of Japan during World War II, and how it altered our potential casualty lists and sped up the ending of the war, well then I would be delighted to engage you on this subject! But I hardly think a Native American thread is such a place.
Bret D. Rijke November 29, 2012 at 09:20 PM
@ David Shisler; “The Puritans are widely reputed to have stolen Indian land, defrauded the Indians, or committed genocide against them in the Pequot Wars. This myth, believed to this day by the vast majority of Americans, is evidently impossible to overturn despite all the scholarship that refutes it. The pequots, who were never a large tribe to begin with, continued to be listed as a distinct group living in Connecticut through the 1960’s. Morever, while the king had issued colonial land grants, the Puritan consesus, evident in their words and their actions, was that the king’s charter conferred political and not property rights to the land, which Puritans settlers sought by means of voluntary cession from the Indians.” - Politically Incorrect Guide to American History; pages 7-8 Try again David.
David Shisler November 29, 2012 at 10:01 PM
I don't need a history lesson, the people of Temecula would like to Honor, Thank, the Pechanga Band of Luisno Mission Indians, they were able to do what we couldn't. The Chiefs of the Riverside County, let down the Temecula City Band. But the bigger question, why have you decided at this time to post negative attacks on Indians, you sound like a Indian hater, what is your reasoning for your post now?
Bret D. Rijke November 30, 2012 at 03:14 AM
@ David Shisler Well David, the reason this whole issue of how the Indians behavior was no better, and in many instances quite worse, than the settlers was started by “Lake Elsinore Resident”, who wrote; “The Pechanga are a good people and they respect their ancestors whose remains would have been decimated by more white men.” (Posted by LRE on 10:54 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012) Being that I am a White Male, who has immense pride and interest in maintaining Western Culture, I felt aggrieved and since the subject was broached by another, I subsequently felt honor bound to reply and defend. As for your insinuation that I am an “Indian hater”, well, nothing could be further from the truth, which is crux of my whole counter to Lake Elsinore Resident. See, I acknowledge that a fact is a fact, regardless the bearer of this news. 2+2=4 no matter who delivers the fact. I suspect that since you are quite uncomfortable with the introduction of historical perspectives and fact which does not fit in nicely with what you had either been taught to believe, or had decided on so that it could either confirm your misplaced sense of guilt or sense of hatred, that you automatically revert to the “hater” tag. I know David; it makes it easier to deflect uncomfortable truths to just lump in the inconvenient truth as a crazy or a hater.
David Shisler November 30, 2012 at 07:55 AM
The comment by Lake Elsinore Resident about the area being decimated by more white men,,, what you have a soft shell? Ganite Construction Company is a public traded company on the NYSE (GVA), It's operated and owned by all nationalities, the mountain would've been decimated by many nationalities, I bet some indians even work for the company, it operates all over California. So what your White, I'm White, you felt honor bound to reply, you felt it was appropriate to post, and post, and post, and post, and post, and post, and post, and post, and post, and post, your facts, when the article was about Celebrating and giving thanks to Pechanga. Wrong forum guy,
Bret D. Rijke November 30, 2012 at 02:52 PM
"Mr. Shisler, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul." Sorry David, couldn't resist using this movie quote in regards to your reply. You obviously read nothing, or chose not comprehend.
David Shisler November 30, 2012 at 05:52 PM
Mr Rijke, Glad I Ruffled your Feathers, You can give it out but cann't take it.
Bret D. Rijke November 30, 2012 at 08:18 PM
@ David; I can give it out, but not take it? Seriously? Did you really mean that, or are you attempting some clever repartee? Either way you once again fail. As for my feathers being ruffled… well hardly. I was actually looking for some intellectual meat with which to feast upon but, again, you failed. See, I am confident enough in my educated and formed opinions to be able to float them out there for debate. I enjoy it when someone has the ability to breakdown my fact based offerings with their own. On occasion, I learn and am forced to alter my notions. But when someone immediately goes to the “hater” tag, or the “Ha! I got you” tag, it screams of juvenile thinking. So again, David, how was my post FACTUALLY wrong in regards to how the Indians treated captured settlers? Also, “Can’t” is spelled Can’t… not cann’t.
David Shisler November 30, 2012 at 11:53 PM
Rijke I didn't know you were an intellectual and so well educated looking for a debate. Should of mentioned it, I'm more phyical than mental. I read the patch to see what's up, I read your rantings one after another about the savagery of the Indians, it just kept going, when you could've gotten your point across with one posting to "Lake Elsinore Resident".I'm sure I"m not the only one thinking, "what's with this idiot". I know you don't know what I'm talking about, I guess we both don't comprehend each other,but thanks for explaining where you're coming from. As far as whats wrong with your post, the artical is about the here and now, your post fails to mention it. One thing I've learned over the years, some of the smartest and most brilliant people lack common sense, and thanks for the spelling lesson.
anotherview December 04, 2012 at 01:49 AM
One may agree with your view. Even so, the intent here, as you suppose it, preserves the status quo, for both Pechanga and the local community. Please recall the unified push to defeat the aggregate quarry sought the status quo, meaning no quarry. This result happened, and all concerned benefit.
Jerry Simeon December 04, 2012 at 04:25 PM
Thanks for your eloquent dissertation, David. As you well know, this is not "ancient" history as some would deem it so. This is a very current and recurrent theme that "Americans" would like to sweep away and forget (now a generational thing). It is what it is. The Indian tribes are doing all possible to move on. We can be proud and happy to have those who are intelligent and aware that this is part of the "American" story still in its infancy of only 236 years of existence (another fact forgotten). Every tribe and council has its story and woes. We hope the relationship continues to improve for everyone's sake and edification. It is becoming more recognized that the aboriginal peoples have been and continue to be trampled under foot.... but hopefully not forgotten. Unfortunately, this is the best we can hope for. The contributions made by them in the development of this country are not really truthfully chronicled.... But today CUDOS to all who actively participated in the effort.... The crooks are still escaping justice though.
John Smith January 01, 2013 at 05:21 PM
Bret, thanks for the history lesson. I am someone refuses to be manipulated by those who wish to change our society thru false teachings in our schools and media. Wake up America!
john ryerson January 05, 2013 at 10:41 PM
wow!!! i guess that makes sense. paying homage to a tribe that bankrupts and destroys peoples lives by gambling.And these people claim to be christians. what a joke.but then look at the temecula city council, all a bunch of crooks.
john ryerson January 05, 2013 at 10:41 PM
wow!!! i guess that makes sense. paying homage to a tribe that bankrupts and destroys peoples lives by gambling.And these people claim to be christians. what a joke.but then look at the temecula city council, all a bunch of crooks.
john ryerson January 05, 2013 at 10:41 PM
wow!!! i guess that makes sense. paying homage to a tribe that bankrupts and destroys peoples lives by gambling.And these people claim to be christians. what a joke.but then look at the temecula city council, all a bunch of crooks.
john ryerson January 05, 2013 at 10:41 PM
wow!!! i guess that makes sense. paying homage to a tribe that bankrupts and destroys peoples lives by gambling.And these people claim to be christians. what a joke.but then look at the temecula city council, all a bunch of crooks.
john ryerson January 05, 2013 at 10:41 PM
wow!!! i guess that makes sense. paying homage to a tribe that bankrupts and destroys peoples lives by gambling.And these people claim to be christians. what a joke.but then look at the temecula city council, all a bunch of crooks.

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