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VIDEO: Temecula Wine Country Clashes With Calvary Chapel

Should churches be allowed to build in Temecula Wine Country?

wants to expand, but the county and local vintners contend there is no room for churches.

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JP August 08, 2012 at 05:56 PM
Gay marriage has nothing to do with this conversation. You are correct is stating that the church has rights; however, the church DOES NOT have the right to expand. That's what the article is about.
JP August 08, 2012 at 06:00 PM
The church creates no more traffic than a winery? Please. What winery do you know of that has EVERYONE arrive for wine tasting at the exact same time?
Adrian August 08, 2012 at 06:08 PM
@Diane Johnson. Let me take a second to say that I really appreciate your contributions to this discussion. From your posts, it seems as though you are a Christian and you see this for what it is. More importantly, you understand that this is not an attack on religious freedom. Yours is a refreshing position. I tend to get a bit too heated, as I am currently recovering from a battle with my brother in law in which I could not get him to see that the response to the Chick-Fil-A issue was not an attempt to stifle free speech, nor an attack on religious freedom. The Calvary article followed so close on the heels of the chicken situation that my feathers have not quite settled and got ruffled too quickly (pun mildly intended).
Adrian August 08, 2012 at 06:29 PM
@Gordon. I have no problem with alcohol sales being restricted around schools. My issue is with specific alcohol regulations in the vicinity of a church.
Mary August 08, 2012 at 07:47 PM
The newest application by the church is for a 50,000 sq. ft auditorium, a 32,000 sq. ft school, and ~ 450 parking spaces. Many would argue these non-ag uses are a wasted use of the unique land in the area. It's got nothing to do with religious freedom, its about building a non-ag expansion in a Policy Area specifically set aside to promote and protect the unique growing characteristics of wine country. That is the key here. The next planning comm. hearing will lay out all the legal details of churches and Calvary Chapel and get all the facts out there for all to consider.
SPB August 08, 2012 at 09:31 PM
a problem solver after my own heart. I like your thinking sir.
SPB August 08, 2012 at 10:26 PM
Ok, here's my idea: Let the church expand, but make a provision stating that the surrounding businesses are exempt from the church/school alcohol zoning rules. Bigger room for the flock, no impact on business from the wineries. Everybody wins. Can we please stop pretending that everyone out there has the worst intentions now?
Infidel Jones August 08, 2012 at 10:34 PM
1999 wow Really, some started in 1976 and by 1990 we had about 20.
TVOR August 09, 2012 at 12:47 AM
I can hardly believe the county would shut down a winery because a church expanded into the exclusion zone.
TVOR August 09, 2012 at 12:52 AM
It really doesn't matter that Calvary is a church, that fact is irrelevant. They are a business and as such there are rules and laws they must follow. If they do not then they should not be allowed to expand until they come into compliance. If they are following the rules then they have as much right as any business to expand their operation within established guidelines.
Louison Bobet August 09, 2012 at 02:01 PM
Thanks Adrian for telling the truth. Some folks unfortunately are blinded by their faith. I'm not anti religious, but my faith does not need bigger buildings, bumper stickers or hammering on your front door every chance they get to "sell" religion. There are enough Churches in this area built and operating tax-free!
LBV Collins August 09, 2012 at 02:13 PM
LOL! (Love this comment.) Damn! Why aren't there 'Like' buttons on comments?
TemecuMom August 09, 2012 at 02:59 PM
JP, many of the wineries have special events such as concerts, weddings, and wine club parties in which everyone arrives at the same time. Just sayin'.
Temecula resident August 10, 2012 at 10:05 PM
Sadly your post is inaccurate. We have lived in the winery's for over 17 years and the Church was a plant nursery before they bought the property. It almost was a restaurant but the church out bid the other interested party. This place creates horrible traffic on sundays; yes worse than the winery's. Not to mention the winery area is a place for tourism not religious worship.
Temecula resident August 10, 2012 at 10:07 PM
LOL, thanks for mentioning the obvious. Your post is quite refreshing, thanks.
Temecula resident August 10, 2012 at 10:14 PM
@ Adrian - you are so right. No mosque but christian church expansion is okay... BS is what it is. @ Longtimetemecularesident. I've lived out in the winery area for over 17 years and the church traffic is all Sunday every Sunday; the special events held at the winery's are in the evening and normally roll up after I'm fast asleep in bed where it doesn't bother me at all.
Martisa August 11, 2012 at 11:26 PM
JP Thanks for your reply. But the city hall subject was brought up by another reader first, and I was responding to him/her. It doesn't matter how and article starts, but when people get into a subject, other supporting subject get included to help other's understand the compact. It starts with on thing always, but something else is always affected, if you are following anything.
Cindy Greaver August 16, 2012 at 03:14 PM
For the FACTS rather than unsubstantiated accusations, please refer to the Press Release section of winecountryfreedom.com. It addresses all the compliance questions.
Mary August 16, 2012 at 04:36 PM
Cindy, I'm afraid I must disagree with your website's information. The place to obtain accurate information on Calvary Chapel's original public use plan is located on the county's website, and shows many conditions remain "outstanding" on this plan from 1999. The church originally started without permits, required a variance to operate in wine country, both facts of which have yet to be mentioned in the proponents info.The original plan also specifically states "no public or private school" was allowed. Please stop spinning/omitting important facts if you want any credibility.
Don D August 19, 2012 at 04:35 AM
Mary post the URL so we can all see, until the evidence is provided its just hear say.
Love Wine Country August 20, 2012 at 01:02 AM
http://www.protectwinecountry.com/index.php/incompatible-projects. The REAL truth will set you free...
Don D August 20, 2012 at 02:32 AM
The protect winecountry site is about the current parcel and proposed projecty. A statement was made by Mary that " county's website, and shows many conditions remain "outstanding" on this plan from 1999" If this is fact the evidence will show it. Give the URL to substantiate the statement. I you do not want the chruch in the winecountry that one issue. When allegations are made they need to be backed up with facts. If its true the evidence will speak for itself.
Don D August 20, 2012 at 02:39 AM
If you want your voice to have a voice in the winecountry community plan come and speak this Wednesday at Temecula City Hall, County planning commisioners will be taking public comment. Doors open at 9AM, it will be an all day event. Freen lunch for every one that attends will be provided by Chic Fill A. Let your voice be heard
Love Wine Country August 20, 2012 at 05:49 AM
@ Don D....So looking forward for the real truth to be heard. No need for worry...proof will be given in the proper forum during the meeting @ City Hall. This is a nice adjunct for voiceing ones concerns, but hardly the vehicle for any real change. Carry on...
Love Wine Country August 20, 2012 at 06:03 AM
TVOR, you are correct in your observations. This is NOT ABOUT RELIGION...PERIOD. It is rather alarming how no one in the Calvary camp can step back and take a logical, rational, impartial and unbiased look at what is REALLY at stake here. They are too caught up in irrational and emotional responses and slippery slope logic. It really is a shame.
Love Wine Country August 20, 2012 at 06:05 AM
Amen, Mary!
Mary August 20, 2012 at 03:58 PM
At rctlma.org go view case conditions of approval under the online services tab. You can type in the planning case number or find info by the apn. Anything marked as "outstanding" next to a condition has not been fulfilled, even if occupancy permits have been given. Check it out. This is a perfect example of how people often only look at or believe one source for their info instead of all the available facts.
Love Wine Country August 22, 2012 at 06:32 PM
Well done, Mary. The facts are the facts...period! The truth will set you free...
seekeroftruth January 31, 2013 at 02:39 AM
Calvary Chapel Bible Fellowship won't let it go. 1/29/13 meeting with Riverside Board of Supervisors went their way. Guess their threats of lawsuit do speak volumes. Bad witness for Christ from them. http://rivcocob.com/agenda/2013/01_29_13/15-01.pdf
Jess Stalworth February 27, 2013 at 02:14 AM
Uses need to be limited to maintain the charm and designated zoning/uses for the area. Churches create time-specific traffic that could deter tourists from visiting the areas. If you let one church in and bend the rules for them, it opens the doors for many, many more. If this happens and people stop coming due to traffic, then millions of dollars invested into wine country are wasted and Temecula becomes just another suburb with Targets and Wal Marts. Keep Temecula wine country as is, follow the example of Napa and the like and the whole area will benefit. Churches can thrive anywhere and there are plenty of other beautiful areas in the Temecula valley where they can build their school. Jesus wasn't arrogant. I don't know why Pastor Clark and his disciples can't put their arrogance aside and see the value in adhering to zoning restrictions that are in place for good reason.

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